I just checked my profile to see the new turn speed data -- very nice improvements Randy. I also noted that my booting percentage has skyrocketed. While 3% is still low, it was 1% a month ago. I realized that it's the autoboot feature. I often let games where I would otherwise surrender become losses by autoboot. That's true in around half my losses over the last month in 1x1 games.

I don't know if anyone uses boot percentage in deciding whether to play with someone, but perhaps it should be tweaked. Maybe break out autoboots? or maybe breakout boots in non 1x1 games (indicating that you perhaps let down a teammate)?

Over time, my boot percentage will continue to approach my loss percentage until it levels out somewhere around half of games I lose. Not sure if that's significant, but thought I'd mention it.

Why not just surrender in those games? Waiting for autoboot in a ladder or tournament game has a direct detrimental effect on your opponent. In a pickup game, it has no meaningful effect, but it is an annoyance.

"direct detrimental effect on your opponent" -- you should explain this as it makes no sense to me. The most an opponent "loses" is 1/5 of the available slots for new games for the period of time between when surrender would occur and when autoboot occurs, which cannot exceed 72 hours. This seems an entirely di minimus effect not a "direct detrimental effect".

Any in many instances even this detriment would be illusory as there will be no available fifth game to start when that one ends. A player in the top ten or bottom 10 (i.e. the majority of players on the 2x2 ladder) often has trouble getting to five games (I've waited days to get to four).

More likley you are complaining about slow play with regard to holding a higher position on a ladder -- which is an entirely different issue than using autoboot as opposed to surrender and which has been covered extensively on the ladder forum (see: Doushi).

Why wouldn't you just surrender? Sounds like it would solve the problem your complaining about.

I'm not talking about the Doushi fiasco. I'm talking about holding up another game from starting. What if someone only wants to play one game at a time? Are they supposed to realize you're quitting by autoboot and change their settings to 2 games, so they can get another game right away? But then remember to change it back to 1 game, so they don't get a second game when autoboot kicks in?

A game should end when it's over, not 3 days after it's over when the autoboot catches up.

Do you even mention in chat "gg" or something to indicate you've given up on the game?

I think the boot percentage shows the amount of the time when you either are too slow to keep up, or that you leave deciding you don't wish to finish the game..

I could understand on rare occassion you letting autoboot take you when surrenders must be accepted and people are refusing for several turns.

Personally, I think stalling a game because you're too lazy to press surrender shows disrespect for the person you are playing and an increase in your boot percentage is an adequate showing of that disrespect.

Most of my open games have a 10-15% boot rate maximum on them because I dislike people that just dissapear consistently..

Imagine playing someone in speed chess, and when you know you've lost instead of turning over your king and congratulating them, you just start your clock up and sit there and wait.. they're looking at you like 'wtf' then feel cheated when they win by default because you let the timer slip away.

the analogy fails because no one I play is sitting watching the game. I am playing 3 day/turn games. You assume I've decided to surrender and wait out of spite, this is not the case. It's just a matter of not putting a turn in when you're in a tough spot so you can think about it, then deciding to let it go when the timer is close to running out. Most of the time I'm within a few hours of the deadline when I make that decision. I have way over 600 games and 18 boots, this is not exactly happenning in every game I play, but I noted it happened a few times and commented on it. Y'all are highjacking my post and turning it into a very different problem.

^^^ then you make your move and surrender the next turn. that way your opponent has 3 days to see your surrender rather than 3 hours

You haven't surrender until it's been accepted.. If I'm not mistaken, ladder games all have no acceptance required for surrenders, so whether you surrender at 2day 23hr 59minutes it would still surrender instead of boot.. or if you surrender as soon as the turn procs over.. in non-ladder games, namely the ones with acceptance required on surrenders, then without the autoboot feature you would be holding the game back by having not taken your turn and instead merely surrendering, in which case I feel your percentage should go up. You are not done with a game until that surrender is accepted.. or you are booted, and the records show it as such.

It sounds to me as though you're only real complaint is in having games you're apart of having a requirement of having the surrender accepted...
I noticed recently that Fizzer apparantly took out the line when you're surrendering that you need to keep making your turns..

Yeah, it does seem like it would be easier to just surrender and not have that blemish on your record. To answer one of your original questions: I do use boot percentage as a requirement to join open games, but that's usually at like 7-15%, and I think most people know you pretty well and aren't going to not play with you because your boot percentage is at 3. nothing to worry about unless you let it get excessively large.

Autoboots (or all boots for that matter) should simply count as losses.

I always use boot percentage limitation with open seats. Usually 30%. Even that is very generous. . . .

Perrin summed up my opinion perfectly:

|>Personally, I think stalling a game because you're too lazy to press surrender shows disrespect for the person you are playing and an increase in your boot percentage is an adequate showing of that disrespect.

I agree.

Stop bringing up dead threads!!

They may be dead to you, I hadn't seen it before.

Nor have I, but saying I agree adds nothing. Not everybody needs to know you agree. Who cares!

Exactly, since Who cares, I'm letting him(?) know.

your letting someone, who has been inactive for 200+ days know your opinion?
If a discussion is still active and it has been less then a month since the last post then I do not care.
This thread was finished around 10 months ago, this thread is done.
Of course this is my personal opinion on when it is okay to revive threads, but still I use the homepage to check up on what threads are busy and you helped clutter it up.