Semi shameless plug if you wanted to see stats on the seasonal :)

https://warzone-statistics.herokuapp.com/

ID	Games	Boots	%Booted
4000	1010	152	0.15049504950495049505
4001	1208	302	0.25000000000000000000
4002	1111	297	0.26732673267326732673
4003	874	152	0.17391304347826086957
4004	984	139	0.14126016260162601626
4005	1183	157	0.13271344040574809806
4006	1152	174	0.15104166666666666667
4007	1334	181	0.13568215892053973013
4008	1338	250	0.18684603886397608371
4009	529	400	0.75614366729678638941
4010	1927	333	0.17280747275557861962
4011	1958	414	0.21144024514811031665
4012	2156	391	0.18135435992578849722
4013	2542	454	0.17859952793076317860
4014	1989	530	0.26646556058320764203
4015	2213	442	0.19972887483054676909
4016	2634	683	0.25930144267274107821
4017	2642	537	0.20325510976532929599
4018	2468	510	0.20664505672609400324
4019	2289	534	0.23328964613368283093
4020	2849	586	0.20568620568620568621
4021	2938	529	0.18005445881552076242
4022	2968	499	0.16812668463611859838
4023	3068	609	0.19850065189048239896
4024	2458	443	0.18022782750203417413
4025	2610	588	0.22528735632183908046
4026	2418	439	0.18155500413564929694
4027	2341	345	0.14737291755659974370
4028	2342	567	0.24210076857386848847
4029	2335	520	0.22269807280513918630
4030	2169	670	0.30889810972798524666
4031	2457	487	0.19820919820919820920
4032	2314	480	0.20743301642178046672
4065	2015	386	0.19156327543424317618
4066	2296	466	0.20296167247386759582
4067	2175	373	0.17149425287356321839
4068	2203	324	0.14707217430776214253
4069	2424	448	0.18481848184818481848
4070	2367	386	0.16307562315166877905
4074	3187	535	0.16786946972074050832
4075	2999	479	0.15971990663554518173
4076	2836	542	0.19111424541607898449
4077	2871	479	0.16684082201323580634
4078	8341	1235	0.14806378132118451025
4079	6763	1712	0.25314209670264675440
4080	5678	1248	0.21979570271222261360
4081	5064	1094	0.21603475513428120063
4082	4725	1035	0.21904761904761904762
4083	4507	1054	0.23385844242289771467
4084	4400	798	0.18136363636363636364
4085	3770	843	0.22360742705570291777
4086*	2383	316	0.13260595887536718422
*Still a month to go for this season

Edited 6/7/2023 15:20:05

I don’t think boots by season is the way to go. Maybe total players booted against total players who’ve ever joined on the season because otherwise you can’t compare with the current season based on just number of boots and number of games (players removed from ladders if booted now).
Would be interesting to see if players who never booted before have booted during this season (must have played in at least one other season).
Also need to compare by similar time of year (eg exam seasons are more likely to have boots or fewer players and seasons have had varying lengths and seasonal illnesses like cold and flus).
Probably should leave a note that indicates when auto-join and when points and level were added as features and a note that says when Covid-19 emerged, became a pandemic and when it became “living with Covid”. Maybe something similar for Swine Flu. Should also mark when WarLight and WarLight Muliplayer came out and when Flash was removed from browsers.

Edited 6/7/2023 17:30:22

lol yeah that wasn't intended on being anything serious -- just a quick query to see the numbers over the seasons. I don't quite have the time now to play around with sql queries, but if there's anything worth checking and that can be reasonably easily done with my db, I don't mind running queries.

Bonus points if you write the queries for me :)

Where's our poll? https://youtu.be/LBejBESzua8?t=1810 to https://youtu.be/LBejBESzua8?t=1821

+1

Yeh lots of players are still waiting for this poll !!

I haven`t been checking this thread for quite a while, happy to see a lot posting, but instead of waiting, I'd kindly invite all who have posted to spend like less than 5 minutes (including logging into accounts) and vote on Warzone user-voice. I saw that like a week ago, but finally had the chance to update it here.

Usually, Fizzer cares more about that whatever "user-voice" (geez, who still uses that nowadays?), lets see can we finally get a poll we want if the number of vote there increases. And hopefully he does not "misinterpret" the data there as invalid, because there are too many new accounts voting, lol. Thanks guys.

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warzone-features/suggestions/46710568-poll-for-ladder-bootimes

Voted on the above and will publicise the link in CORP to try and gather this more votes :)

- double post

Edited 6/17/2023 14:58:55

+1

i cant comprehend why stats are more important to fizzer than actual feedback from players who have helped grow this game for a decade+

but there are a lot of things i cant comprehend so, whatever dude

Why do people want this to change to 3 days if the ladders are a good chunk related to activity at the moment?

I left the 2v2 Ladder/3v3 ladder because I am not bothered to play a high quantity of 2v2/3v3 games to catch up to the leaders. It goes against what in my opinion ladder should be about. High quality games. Where you want more time to make better moves. The way the ladders are at the moment, I would love it to remain at 1 day 12 hours so I can get games finishing and get nearer to the top.

Once these ladders get established, god can you imagine how long it would take to get even near the top if it was 3 days boot? Probably half a year. Probably the same amount of time you would wait for the games to expire on the old ladder system.

Do people need to think a bit more big picture about overall what the ladder are to be instead of focusing on purely one setting here?

Keep it at 1 day 12 hours considering how the ladder has been designed.

If the ladder needs thousands of games to gain a stable rating, it may as well have a short boot. But using short boot reduces quality of games, especially in team ladders.
Please use normal true skill rating parameters and increase boot time to at least 3 days (no banked)

Could we just allow more than 5 simultaneous games? A longer boot time wouldn't be so slow then. I don't understand that particular restriction but I guess there's a reason for it. If anyone knows please explain it for me.

Lol silly ace windu, you must’ve been retired too long. What you suggest is *logic* which does not exist in fizzer brain

I'd be down for higher # of simul games

But how to stop stallers? Increase banked time similar to how Fizzer just changed it but even more max time replenished per move BUT multiplied by a staller factor of your overall ladder game move speed multiplied by a staller factor of your current game move speed

Basically, make a formula that calculate a player's staller behaviour percentage, and if the player is deemed a staller, punish that player

eg: a player is a known staller if move time used is aggregate >80% on average (across all games), so your staller factor would be perhaps 0.2-0.5, let's say 0.3 for perhaps of an example

And the current game factor is a factor on how fast your moves in this game are but same idea, if the formula says you're staller, you get another 0.2-0.5 penalty, again let's say 0.3

So let's day banked time starts at 2 days, has a max of 3 days and is replenished 12h per move, and you're a non-staller, you'd get 100% of the additional time to start with and the full 12h per move

But if you're a known staller = factor 0.3, then you'd start with 2d*0.3=0.6d banked time to start, and you'd get 12h*0.3=3.6h per move

And if you continue to stall in this game, you'd only get 12*0.3*0.3=1h additional banked time per move

Maybe 0.3 is too punishing, hard to work your way out of that while playing seriously; maybe start with 0.6 for ~80% staller, and go to 0.3 for 90% staller, etc

But the key is that you're punished in a given game if you stall, and you're punished in all games going forward if you keep stalling, until you stop stalling and restore balance to the formula

Maybe the formula can do something similar to boot% and look at last 100 games (or maybe 30-50 games is more reasonable)

I think the trueskill rating is already a big step against stallers. You can't create a really high rating by delaying losses until your older losses expire. Egregous stalling is kind of a moderation issue imo but I have no idea how moderation works here.

stallers would become more readily apparent with unlimited games i think

Not if they had a staller penalty applied to them in each game to reduce their game play time

activity bonus is a very good idea too